Somebody *do* something with these...

[bunnyjadwiga]

Please.
Since I'm no costumer, I throw out there these 2 pictures of Hats With Crowns, from a 15th Century Polish painting:



From Stanislaw Durink. Triptych of Our Lady of Sorrows. c. 1480. The Adoration of the Kings.
UNESCO. Poland: Painting of the Fifteenth Century. (Paris: New York Graphic Society, 1964)

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[danabren.livejournal.com]

Heh, they're great.

Now, I'm not saying that I AM RIGHT DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME OR I'LL CRY WAAAAAAAAAH, however, my research *cough* indicates that when enormous jewels tending towards the size of gumballs are used, it is usually an indication of either biblical references (Old Testament usually) or allegory (either in tale or in representation). For example, you'll see large gems sewn on Gabriel's robes during the Annunciation, on the Queen of Sheba's garments, and on images of Love/Courtly Love in human form.

Crowns were very rarely worn in period, and certainly not as commonly as we SCAdians wear them, which is another indication that these images are not of everyday or "normal" imagery. Yes, you can certainly make garments and accessories from allegorical imagery, but it's harder to justify making and wearing them for accuracy purposes.

But they are brilliant pictures, and I love it when people do stuff like this :)

[bunnyjadwiga.livejournal.com]

Oh. Well, I have to point out that the people being pictured ARE in fact the Magi. However, they are dressed in what would appear to be 15th century high style.

However, the gems in question are about the same size as the gems shown on the cups and other pieces nearby, and since we do have extant cups and other pieces that show gemage of that size (remembering that we are talking probably semi-precious, not precious, stones), I'm not entirely convinced that they are, ahem, completely impossible.

[danabren.livejournal.com]

Hell no they aren't impossible. They're quite possible. But unlikely.

If you stare at enough paintings of a similar theme and era, you start to notice commonalities. ie, as vox8 writes below, hats of this style are often seen on the Magi (which supports my statement above that accessories of this type often indicate biblical stories). The commonalties, particularly of 14th & 15th C Western paintings, have hats and boot tops being the "unusual" garments, and the rest of the person dressed in high fashion of the decade. Hats tend to have curious swoops and points, turbans, crenellated upfolds, and/or poncy crowns. Boots have folded tops, with crenellated edges. Sometimes, there are even crenellated epaulets. (Are you sensing a theme here?)

This indicates to me that the garments proper are often documentable (since they are often similar in style to other paintings of the period or even the donors within the painting themselves), it's the accessories that are a short-hand to show that the wearer or bearer is a King, a saint, an angel, an allegorical character, or a figure of myth. Some ItRen frescoes of the Iliad show the mighty warriors and heroes dressed in the height of Italian fashion, wearing some truly stupid hats and frills, but are also wearing glorious and louche houppes.

Man, I'd love to have me a coronet that looks like it was dipped in honey and then rolled in semi-precious stones the size of acorns. And I sure as hell wouldn't dream of telling someone who'd had one made that it was wrong. But I couldn't comission one for myself that looked like that.

(hey, you asked, remember? lol)

[kandy-elizabet.livejournal.com]

First, oooo, pretty

Second:
Oh. Well, I have to point out that the people being pictured ARE in fact the Magi.

Geek moment -- I knew before you said so that it was a magi picture.

Heh.

[vox8.livejournal.com]

I am also not a costumer, but I have seen crowns similar to these in other Paintings - the one commonality being they are always in Adoration of the Magi subject matter and the hats always belong to the Magi themselves.

Now - I am saying that the ones I have seen have always been these - that does not mean that I have seen every example that exists. But I believe that they are more allegorical than anything else - representing the 3 kings and being on vaguely Turkish hats to indicate their forginess.

Here is the one that I am kinda obsessed with - I wanna make it:
http://www.loggiaserena.com/Temp/GossaertHatDetailsmall.jpg

[vox8.livejournal.com]

And in case someone wants to do something w/the one in my pic - I have an image of it like WAAAAAAAAAY bigger than that.

Like you can see the printing dots bigger.

Did I mention the borderline obsession.

[florentinescot.livejournal.com]

*giggle* I have a photo of one of the Crowns of Atlantia with his Ducal Coronet over a black cowboy hat ......

[aeddie.livejournal.com]

An un-named Duke of Caid was spotted with his shiny new County coronet (between reigns obviously :) ) at a 12th Night using a Santa hat with Goofy ears as the padding band. Complete with one ear looped up and tucked back into the coronet.

[florentinescot.livejournal.com]

*giggle* We had an event once that short had a "peers ears" theme ...

All the Peers wore Ears of some sort ..... (like goofy ears .....)

[krings-keep.livejournal.com]

hhhm,mmmmmmm..........

Do you think I could make the top pic without any 'crown jewels'??

I'm in the process of making a houplenade and need something for my head. Lots of people wear those head rolls, and I would feel silly without something *else* covering my hair.....

hhhmmm............

Katheryne
owner of the fuscia wool tunic lined in fuscia linen